I came back after another break around 4 months ago. A month or so after being back, I was roaming in the belts and I see a Ret wreck. I check the owner, 2 month noob. Beside the wreck is an Exeq wreck. Next belt, a Cruiser wreck. All the same 2 month noob. He is still logged in, odd really after losing 3 ships and only being 2 months old. So I go get a blackade and I salvage the wrecks, reflip his cans so he can get his ore and stuff. The griefers do thier best to bait me, whatever I have been here 7 years. You don't do anything I don't want you to. So all is done, he is out 3 ships, I try to explain to him that you can't win, don't fight back. He's new, he has some attitude, thinks he can take on the Universe. I log out and do some Jita stuff. 2 Hrs or so later I am back in the system and I see a second Exeq. I ignored it but put him on watch list. He was off line. 2 months later, he is still off line. Griefed out of the game.

I've had the chance to experience this hundreds of times over 7 years in EVE. I have also had the chance to experience meeting people who were not griefed out of the game. All but 2 cases, those people sucked at EVE. They never got in to anything bigger than a Ret or a Myrm or a Harbi. They would do level 2 missions or mine in thier Ret and they all lasted a year maybe a year and a half. In one case a guy actually stayed around the same, 18 months and in that time he missioned and made around 2 billion, got a CNR had a whole fleet of Ravens, Drakes, lots of nice stuff. He of course got bored too though and as I said, 18 months was his cap and he quit, never to be seen again.

I don't pretend to be all seeing or able to scale EVE but chances are if I have seen something 100 times it has happened 10,000 more I suspect. So, noob comes to EVE, gets griefed out of the game in 2 Months you guys get $35? Noob comes to EVE and is allowed to be unimportant and lasts 12-18 months, you get $185 to $275. I think we can all agree, most EVE people are OK people, they aren't here to be hatefull. They PvP, they be destructive, they have fun. Maybe at most, 2000 people will truly miss the ability to grief unabated. You at CCP on the other hand have missed out over 10 years on anywhere from 4 million to 50 million dollars in revenue because people are being griefed right out of the game. I watched an Interview from Machina yesterday where a CCP guy talked about business models. Show me the business model that says you turn down millions to tens of millions of dollars to accomodate an extreme minority?

To be clear, if you don't care, I sure as hell don't. I could not care less if I wanted to. It's your game. I'm just here for the light show. While it kind of bothers me that those people never got thier year of EVE it isn't something I lose sleep over. I'm sure they are playing something but I thought I would share the obvious with you after playing this game for 7 years.

uh. CCP isn't really losing players.

I thought it was called the day to day operation of running an MMO. But I guess there are MMOs out there that people don't ever unsub from... Go figure.

Yeah, the ever increasing upward curve of subscriptions that has never happened in any other mmo for 10 years running will be the death of EVE.

I do remember recently reading that CCP is actually doing well money wise and made like 66 mil last year.

MMO business expert on the boards everyone.

And then look at them reaching a whole different market with Dust to reinforce their company without altering EVE to be something it is not. Yet also making more aware of the CCP brand through sony's propaganda machine.

Sorry that I read and try to actually know about topics before opening my trap?

Don't be salty. I am sorry about your cousins brother whose sister had a friend in college that knew a kid who got podded and unsubbed from eve. Tell him to come back. I'll toss him some iskies.

Wouldn't a focus on another group of people possibly cost them others instead that are pulled in due to the gameplay causing them lose the money in any case?

If eve is gonna compete outside of the "niche" then I think most would agree that many of those other games are more enjoyable. But I could be wrong there. If it changed too much, then I would leave for sure. Not that it would matter much if it was just myself. But imagine if there were others as well. It's all hypothetical I guess.

of course my man. I don't take any of this seriously and I like poking the bear sometimes just for the sake of poking him. I hold no malice towards you nor anyone else on the forums.